Skate consciousness, Bombsquad and Texas. Chubbs is so real as he shares a slice of his soul with us in this conversation.
Hey Chubbs! How are you?
Nice and busy, yourself?
Where are you from?
I’m from Houston, Texas. Born and raised.
Are you a cowboy?
Urban cowboy. We keep our guns tucked under our shirts instead of on our hips.
Do you skate packing heat?
I leave it in the truck. Accidentally shooting myself doesn’t sound like a pleasant experience.
When did you start skating?
That was a long time ago, probably around the age of ten. I’ve been submerged in skateboarding culture for as long as I can remember.
What got you into it?
Mostly my older brother and my friends. I didn’t grow up in a wealthy family, and when your parents both work full time, you find something to do with the abundance of hours you spend unsupervised. That “something” for us was skateboarding, along with all the degenerate activities that accompany it. Growing up in the 4th largest city in the US, there’s a massive urban jungle available for you to explore. We liked to explore it on skateboards.
How did skateboarding help you experience the city?
It was a different perspective than what I traditionally would have been exposed to, both socially and physically. Our social microcosm was very diverse. There was a broad spectrum of classes and ethnic demographics represented in our social circles. We didn’t care about what colour, ideology, or amount of privilege you came from. It was a very idealistic example of how a meritocracy would work. All we cared about was how well you could skate. Architectural designs were looked at in a completely different way. I rarely looked at how a building was dressed by the business occupying it. I was more concerned with how I could ride the structures with my skateboard. That same approach was applied to the city’s infrastructure as well. From my experience that’s a very rare cultural environment to come of age in when you’re born in Texas. There’s a large culture of independence here, but little co-dependence. There’s a paradoxical quality to the culture in this state. While people here don’t impede on your right to do what you want and be who you are, there are still very strong undertones of classism, racism, sexism, and general bigotry.
Skating makes you identify more with other skaters than Texans?
Absolutely. It gave me a transnational perspective without having to be… a transnational. I appreciate people for who they are, culturally and individually. It seems to be a common theme amongst skateboarders everywhere. I feel very comfortable around other skateboarders no matter where they’re from.
Did you stick with the same skate gang over time?
In a sense. I didn’t pick up a longboard until ‘08/’09. The two respective groups I skate with are heavily segregated. If I’m looking to skate a bowl, mini ramp, or street in Houston – I have to go through a different set of contacts in my phone.
That’s mostly what I skate, considering I have to drive 240 km to even see a hill! I mostly ride with same group of people I grew up with. There’s several people to mention, but most notably I skate with Gordon Anderson, and Matt McBride when he can get away from his responsibilities as a father.
When it comes to downhill or skating parkades, it’s a different picture to paint. I have very close relationships in Texas within that community as well. Scott Sheridan, Robbie Schmitt, Grear Wilson, Harper McDaniel, Tommy Watson, Grant Phillips, Adam Aziz, Zac Sharp, Tanner Leaser, Wes Coleman, Jargh Hammons, Dylan Greenbaker, Mike Eng, and Kelly Francis are the people I learned how to downhill with. Several of them have moved to different states and countries since then, but they still remain fundamental figures in the development of my downhill skateboarding. For the most part we all live about 4 hours away from each other, but that has never stopped us from being close.
The Texas community is spread across the second largest state in the US, but the distance has not affected how tight knit the community itself is.
Does the size of the city shape the skateboarding within?
It does, in terms of diversity. The larger the city, the more there is to offer. Elevation has a significant part to play as well. Austin is very different, but equally as exciting to skate as Houston, and it’s a relatively small city compared to Houston.
What kind of skating did you do in the early days?
Nothing but street, bowls, and ramps. I don’t think I even saw a longboard until I was 16. I got a job at a local skate shop in Houston, called The Source, when I turned 16, and that was my first exposure to longboards. They had a selection of boards from Rayne, Landyachtz, and Sector 9, which was kind of a big deal in 2007. There was also this amazing person named Robbie who worked there. He took me to my first hill, and completely changed the course my life. One of my first days working there he loaded up a series of Coast Longboarding videos and blew my mind. He had already made trips to Danger Bay, and Maryhill, and was a very talented skater all around. Very natural. He flowed on a board in a way I had never seen before. His mother, who is a very nice and caring woman, put him on a skateboard at a young age.
I’ll never forget the first time he decided to take me on a trip to Austin to skate hills for the first time. We pulled up to the top of a hill, we got out, he handed me an ‘06 hellcat with Bear Grizzlys (they still had the stock double red khiro aluminum insert bushings), and told me to follow him. As it turns out it was one of the fastest runs in Austin called Big View. First time on a hill and this guy takes me 55+. Fortunately I didn’t crash out. The combination of adrenaline and dopamine was overwhelming. I haven’t looked at the world in the same way since. If I had never met Robbie, there would be no Chubbs. He actually coined the nickname and the persona that comes with it.
Is Chubbs the darkside?
Chubbs is actually the lightside. I see it in my relationships with people who call me Chubbs. When I’m skateboarding, and traveling around I’m at my best. Both as a person and as a skater. When I’m in Houston, going through the grind, that’s when I hope I don’t meet a person for the first time. I’m more cutthroat, ruthless, and indifferent to conflict. In this pseudo-capitalist culture we live in though, most people would say Chubbs is the darkside. The side that isn’t very efficient, and cares more about people than statistics.
Skateboarding makes you a better/realer you?
It’s hard to address that question without addressing others. From an ontological standpoint, no singular part of that particular dualsim (to clarify, I’m not using the term dualism in the context of the classic debate of monism vs dualism, and psychiatry) is actually “me.”
If cognitive science has taught us anything, it’s that other than the particular evolutionary schematism that gave us language, dualistic thinking is what really separates us from other primates. The ability to hold two conflicting ideas at the same time. From that standpoint, it would be impossible for the part of me that is so heavily affected by skateboarding culture to even exist outside of the context provided by the part of me so heavily affected by my original environment. In my opinion, my skateboarding doesn’t make me better, its the internal conflict it creates that makes me a better person. This same pattern is present in every person I’ve encountered. I think that particular human quality is directly tied to learning in a very general sense. It starts from a very early age. It’s how children learn language. They learn a restricting schematism relevant to the unique language they are being exposed to, then experiment with new variables, and eventually the schematism itself. This process is very creative in itself. Every conversation is unique, yet a young child has no problem articulating new ideas when engaging in it. It’s a common denominator, yet an amazing phenomenon in itself. Humans can derive immense amounts of information from the rather limited and degenerative data sets were provided with. It applies to everything, including skateboarding, and it’s had an affect on my personality and behavioral patterns.
What would a world where everyone skated and found their inner Chubbs be like?
I think that’s already the world we live in. I think everyone has their own internal conflicts. Everyone has their own dualisms. It’s not hard to find them. It’s actually rather easy considering how complex our societies have gotten, and where the sciences are taking us. I think most people, in this country in particular, try to avoid this internal conflict. It can be uncomfortable to really challenge some of the most fundamental principles you have adhered to throughout your life. As uncomfortable as it may be, I find it to be absolutely necessary. In my opinion, that is how you achieve real progress as a person, and hopefully return a little insight to your community – maybe make the world a better place to live, even if just a little.
Anyone who thinks planet earth in its current state is a fantastic place to live is full of shit. It’s the hand we’re dealt so we tend to rationalize how it’s not all the bad, but even though we now have fancier toys to play with, there is a significant amount of retrogression occurring in human society. If everyone skated, and went through similar experiences that I have gone through though, we’d live in states based around the structures of anarcho-syndicalism, where social opportunity and mobility would be maximized. We’d also be cyborgs, and make banger skate videos for posterity’s enjoyment.
But normal people are more likely to be bound by the hamster wheel.
In this country, yes. We have a very passive populace for the amount of civil rights abuses, war crimes, corporate crime, and fraud that our government condones and perpetuates itself. It seems like most people are fine with our government shredding habeas corpus and magna carta, torturing enemies of the state (working definition) through extraordinary rendition programs, indefinite detention, impressive amounts of social inequality, and waging war in order to sustain the US hegemony – well, as long as they have 700 channels of cable television to watch, and a pantry full of food. I’m curious as to where the line will be drawn, and if the participants of this society will transition from passive to restless. It seems for now though, they’re fine laying in the prostate position while getting fucked repeatedly by the power structures that delineate our society. There’s really no public discourse relating to any topic of merit. Our culture is very atomized.
Who would Brian Cortright be without skateboarding?
That’s a very speculative question that even I have a hard time answering on certain days. I was never predispositioned to live the American Dream. A formal education at an esteemed university, and a stable career weren’t options for me. I would probably be struggling to survive, and be completely ignorant as to why. Skateboarding was a way to better myself and those around me. It gave me a community that supported me, and one that I could actually support in return. I honestly try not to think of what my life would be like without skateboarding.
How is skating in Austin different from Houston?
Austin actually has hills. There’s quite a bit of erosion-derived elevation change in the Austin area. You can actually go 60mph/96kph if you know where to look. It also has a very different culture. It’s often referred to as the California in Texas. Plenty of music, hallucinogens, hippies, and college students. It’s a much more relaxed environment. In terms of downhill skateboarding in Texas though, it is the mecca.
What are the pillars of the Tx community?
In terms of people, it’s mostly the crews. Houston Garage Riders, San Long Antonio Boarders, Austin Longboard Club, Austin Street Pirates, TxBaked, and the Wizards. We have some serious core companies that support the local community as well. Carve skate shop has locations in Houston and Austin that serve as focal points, and Bombsquad Longboarding produces boards in Arlington – which is sandwiched between Dallas and Ft. Worth. Carve Skateshop was born by Robbie Schmitt and Scott Sheridan when there was a mass exodus from The Source.
Bombsquad was created by Tanner Leaser and Wes Coleman when they started making noseguards to protect their boards, but eventually evolved into a full-on board company. There is a lot of downhill skateboarding history represented, and shared, between those two companies. Much more than anywhere else in Texas.
What is the history of downhill skateboarding in Texas?
I think it’s important to remember that this is my perspective, and that everyone will tell you a different story. What the scene here looks like now is very different than what has come before. We have older generations represented by guys like John “Army” Armstrong who have been riding down here in Texas for decades. His story would predate mine by a large margin. What we see now stemmed from a practically extinct group that ran under the Austin Longboard Club, which Lance McIlhany founded. They threw the first events that really stitched the crews together. There were other crews skating hills throughout Texas, but the ALC events really brought everyone face to face. Bomb for Boooze and the Labor Day race drew the Houstonians out of the garages, pulled the Dallas-Ft. Worth homies down, and eventually the brought San Antonio crews out to the most central location in Texas – Austin. There was a general identity of TXDH that Tommy Watson and Dorian Rosen hosted some events under. Those two eventually started Sundae Skates and moved to Utah. Tommy now lives in Vancouver riding and working for Rayne, and I believe Dorian is back in Texas completing an education.
After the ALC split up, the scene became more fragmented, yet continued to grow and gather at a multitude of events hosted annually all over Texas.
What is/was the ALC?
The Austin Longboard Club was a loosely affiliated crew of awesome skateboarders located in the Austin area. It was ahead of its time in style, which I think played a role in its demise. They had downhill skaters, tech sliders, hybrid skaters, garage skaters, park skaters, slalom skaters and every other type of skater you could think of represented in their crew. It was very similar to where downhill skateboarding has gone in the past year or so. I learned most of what I know about downhill skateboarding from that crew. Taylor Kingsley, Grant Phillips, Adam Aziz, Kyle Peters, Josh Davis, and Kurt Smith to name a few. There was a lot of infighting that popped up as the scene exploded in size, that ultimately destroyed what the ALC used to be. There are cats who still rep the ALC, and Lance and Josh still throw the ALC events annually, but it’s not the same as it was.
After your first encounter with Robbie, how did you relationship with long skateboards evolve?
I don’t think evolve would be the right word. It was the beginning of my relationship with long skateboards. Fortunately my first encounter wasn’t through a sandal-wearing hippie girl cruising down the sidewalk, or I probably would have written it off as something sandal-wearing hippie girls did. I didn’t even really comprehend why there was a demand for boards that had these different truck geometries, weird bends, and big square-lipped wheels. It was when he showed me those Coast videos, and told me his personal tales from the great white north, that I understood why you needed this kind of gear.
My relationship with it has had its own challenges; the inability to keep buying gear as life also demanded funds to sustain my existence, trying to justify spending so much time and money on something that didn’t make my life any easier, trying to justify to my first sponsor – Bombsquad – that it was worth it to pay for me to travel to races, then dealing with the realization that I wasn’t good enough to actually podium and bring any notoriety to the company that paid for me to be there.
If it wasn’t for their assistance, I wouldn’t have the memories, the stories, or the relationships that I hold so dearly. I would never have been able to afford to do anything I have done in the past 5 years on my own. Somehow though, everything has come full circle. Seems thing are working out pretty well at the moment.
What did you spend your first longboarding year doing?
Mostly smoking weed on parkade roofs. Not a very interesting life from an outside perspective, but that was a great year for me. I was just at the end of the healing process for some torn ligaments in my ankle, and was losing touch with street skating because of the injury itself. Skating parkades with my friends late at night was a much needed transition back into skateboarding, and brought a lot of great people into my life. I also went to Austin every chance I had, meet up with the ALC crew, and skate hills as much as possible. I started entering every outlaw race I could afford to attend as well. I had some success in the outlaws, but it didn’t do much to help with the performance anxiety I would often experience. That anxiety didn’t really stop until about 2 years ago. In the end, the same outlaws that stressed me out so much kept me connected to the people I wanted to skate with the most, and ultimately led me to the opportunities I have now. I took the top spot on the podium at the first ever NacBash out in Nacadoches, Texas; as it turned out, the owners of Bombsquad who I had already been friends with for some time, decided that was the day to put me on the team. Looking back, it’s humorous to me that NacBash was the race the got me noticed. I honestly wouldn’t even consider that a hill these days.
Houston/Florida – which is the Garage skating capital?
Houston. This has been a topic of heavy argument, although I’m pretty sure everyone outside of our respective communities could care less. I’m fairly confident the matter has been settled though. A group of HGR cats flew out to Florida last year to attend the Miami Death Race and swept the podium. Benjamin Arcia also came through Houston a few weeks ago during his migration from Miami to California. He himself proclaimed Houston garages to be far superior. You just can’t match the diversity of parking structures we have here.
What did you enjoy about competing?
Having the opportunity to take full advantage of a closed road is definitely one of the reasons I find paying a steep entry fee to be worth it, but what really motivates me to leather-up is the gathering of familiar faces. Races are downhill skateboarding’s version of a season long family reunion. These are people I’m very close to, and wouldn’t have the opportunity to spend time with if it weren’t for the race circuits. Like any other person, I like standing on a podium, having a medal placed around my neck, and being showered with attention; but considering it doesn’t happen very often, my emphasis isn’t on the performance aspect as I’m sure my sponsors would prefer.
How did you find inner peace?
I still don’t think I have. I just don’t care anymore. My self-worth used to be strongly influenced by how well I rode a skateboard. Traveling to the Pacific Northwest for the first time several years ago really gave me an accurate idea of where I stood as a skater, and as a result, showed me how little I was developing other aspects of my life. When I finally returned home, I had a lot of personal work to do, and really threw myself at it. It resulted in a drastic behavioral change. I started reading four books a month instead of one, started managing my finances more responsibly, simplified my lifestyle, and tried to learn as many new skills as possible. Now I’m at a point in my skateboarding career where I’m just as valuable – if not more so – off of the board as I am on it. The same goes for my life outside of skateboarding. I’m now in college for the first time in five years, volunteer on a local level, and live in a more sustainable way than I ever have. Ironically enough, my best performances came after I stopped investing so much in the idea of winning.
Have you read anything that influenced your skating?
Possibly on a more abstract level, but not directly. Conversely, in my personal experience, skateboarding has probably affected my reading in the earlier years. Skateboarding is an activity usually accompanied with a drastically different ideology than what you find in most social institutions – formal or informal. In America – especially in Texas – there is a significant amount of ideological uniformity, even more so than historically totalitarian societies. It’s quite remarkable. It’s readily observable in intelligentsia, and in the media. In the reporting of contemporary affairs, privilege is accorded to the presented opinions that support power and privilege, although I don’t find that in itself to be a surprising statement. There is a tremendous imbalance in how social reality is presented to the public.
Riding a skateboard offers a kid an abundance of opportunity to realize that the construction of social reality is completely dependent on his perspective. Hopefully they’ll be clever enough to spot them, and ask questions. That’s what happened in my case.
Is Bombsquad the first board company from the state?
As far as downhill boards go, yes. Texas has a rich history of skateboarding that I think most people overlook. I’m not going to get too deep into that as it would look more like a book rather than a short interview. “Shut up and skate” is all I’m going to say.
Before NacBash, were you looking for sponsors?
Not particularly. That event was after I had traveled to different states to go skateboard, and didn’t feel I could provide an equitable situation as a sponsored rider. At that time, the best way to fund my skateboarding was through selling weed, so I was pretty committed to that. After Bombsquad picked me up, I began looking for other avenues of support. I still wouldn’t be able to afford walking away from the revenue I was creating off of weed sales for quite some time after that.
Did skating change after hooking up with Bombsquad?
Significantly. Bombsquad gave me a lot of opportunities, and I did my best to develop them as much as possible. This interview would not be happening today if they had never taken that risk. The first transnational skate trip I took as a sponsored rider not only changed my outlook, but also changed how other skaters perceived me. It’s rather disgusting when I think about that statement, but it still holds true. I spent about a month with my fellow Bombsquadian, Grant Phillips, traveling around Canada, and really getting into some shit. I always have a great time with that guy; he’s been my main partner in crime ever since. Statistically speaking, when we’re rolling together, our chance of incarceration or death increases. I’m pretty sure we’ve sold a woman before. We didn’t speak the same language, but the guy gave us the keys to a Mercedes Benz – then left with her.
What’s disgusting about the statement?
I primarily find it unhinging because of what it implies about status within our community. The monetization of personas can be a very unhealthy thing if not handled appropriately.
What’s the closest you’ve come to death?
The closest run in I’ve had with the eternal footman wasn’t directly through skating. I got a bit of roadrash on my arm that became the preliminary site for a pretty major staph infection. Within 10 hours my arm was the size of a balloon, and the infection had spread through my chest and into my lungs. They were planning to amputate my arm after a final round of I.V. administered antibiotics, and the infection was deemed terminal.
Being told you have 24 hours to live is a very humbling experience. It really emphasizes that you don’t have a body, but that you ARE a body. Fortunately that last round of antibiotics worked, and I was able to live and keep my arm. Turns out I had a new strain of MRSA not yet documented. The CDC got involved, and it was an experience I will never forget.
Bro! That’s real!
The medical bills were more shocking.
How was skating Canada different from your hood?
Lots of rain skating. Other than the moist weather, it was a new experience seeing such a well established community with a lot of history. The scene in Texas is relatively young, and hasn’t developed nearly as much as the Canadian scene.
What’s your role in the BS family?
BS doesn’t have a pyramid structuring, it’s a little more flat. Tanner and Wes, the head honchos, ultimately steer the company in the direction they see fit, and everyone else contributes where it’s needed. Personally, I fill the more stereotypical role of a sponsored skater. Travel around, spread the word about Bombsquad, and produce media. On the back end, I submit my input on board design/testing, and provide motion graphics and other things along that line.
How is the squad different from other longboarding companies?
What really sets us apart is our flavor. Wes and Tanner bring a style to the company that just can’t be matched. The experience they have in metal fabrication, pinstriping, design, and classic automobile culture manifests itself in the boards they create. I don’t really see any other company that’s comparable to it in our industry.
Do you have any other sponsors?
Venom, Caliber, and Push Culture Apparel.
What’s your setup?
Bombsquad Battle Royal, Caliber Precisions (dewedged in back), Venom Cannibals 72mm 76a, Red Barrels all around, Push Culture gear.
How was the 2012 season for you?
From a performance aspect it was about as abysmal as the other 90% of the racing scene not winning events. From every other aspect it was the best one yet. The duration of the season I was able to participate in, and the amount I traveled was unprecedented for me. I met several new characters, and solidified my relationships with those previously met. I had a lot of fun, learned some life lessons, and experienced something I would have a hard time recreating. Depending on how the next ten years develop, that experience might be the defining one of my twenties. But if I have my way, it most likely won’t be.
Did the life altering experience have anything to do with bacon?
There was definitely some bacon in the mix. Sticking to a budget usually doesn’t include eating too much bacon. I did splurge here and there though.
What are your plans for this year?
Travel farther, skate harder, and get involved in as many media projects as possible. I still have an entire life to maintain back in Houston, so I’ll be much more restrained than last year.
Where do you see downhill in 3 years?
It could go in two different directions. There’s a continuing trend of capital/asset/market share consolidation in the form of distributions. If handled appropriately, there’s no reason why this trend wouldn’t benefit skateboarding as a whole. At this point, it mostly serves to develop power structures that are headed by skateboarders themselves, and the original founders of most of the companies that we’ve seen develop over the past five years. Unfortunately, the current growth in our industry isn’t sustainable, which is where a particularly worrisome divergence may occur. I’m not saying the current state of sales and production isn’t sustainable, but the current rate of growth is something that will inevitably go parabolic – maybe in the next 3 years, probably within the next 5 to 7 years. As we go through this period of growth, liquid capital is absolutely necessary if you want to be in a position to take advantage of growing trends, and be responsive to other market forces. Certain companies that find themselves short on capital at a crucial time may leverage against shares in their company, or more simply, accrue debt for a much needed liquidity injection. Even worse, once we begin to see diminishes in growth, companies may go through the same process, but with the different effect of artificially inflating demand for their product, or diversifying the products that they offer – most likely lifestyle products, or even something completely unrelated to skateboards.
Bottom line, depending on how poorly, or how well these power structures are managed, they may wind up in a position to be purchased or liquidated at price points significantly lower than market value, and will most likely be acquired by a speculative investor who has nothing to do with our industry. Someone looking to capitalize on the development that’s been done by everyone involved up until this point – and that’s the direction I’m most worried about. This wouldn’t be a new phenomenon. This happens to be a universal theme amongst developing industries. For a more concrete example closer to home, look at what’s happened to Billabong in the past 10 years. They’re now in a prime position to be purchased by certain financial institutions. They’ve been publicly traded on and off for some time now, so if anybody reading this has an interest, they can look into it themselves. I won’t go too much further into it here.
Hopefully skaters will be able to maintain a strong hold on our industry.
What’s the key to keeping Longboarding in our hands?
Profit sharing and labor managed/owned business. Unfortunately, the way our economy – and reinforcing bureaucratic structures – are designed, there is really no way to exist as a business outside of a capitalist framework. Until there is an alternative economic structure available, we have to make do with what’s available. Providing an equitable situation for all members of a business is crucial. Profits need to be distributed throughout a business – even to the non-technical labor positions – in a manner that provides living wages that even account for inflation and price adjustments. Reducing income disparities insures a sustainable, healthy business which keeps members of the skateboarding community employed in a meaningful way. Labor managed/owned businesses would hedge companies against outside influence and keep skateboarders in control of the skateboard industry, along with the long list of benefits that accompany such businesses that I won’t go into here. It would a go a little too far off topic, and probably require another 1,000 words.
What do you do when you’re not skating?
I’m either working, studying, or reading. I don’t really do much outside of that. I usually read for 3-5 hours a day. Living in Houston, there’s not much to skate in terms of downhill. I usually skate the local parks in between school and work, then read until I fall asleep. Pretty minimalist lifestyle.
What’s the last good book you read?
I finally got around to reading Howl and Other Poems by Allen Ginsberg, which was fantastic. In terms of a more substantial read, I’d have to go with Stress, the Aging Brain, and the Mechanisms of Neuron Death by Robert Sapolsky. It’s remarkable how much of an effect stress has on the brain. I also read a couple of Sam Harris’ books last month that I would highly recommend. For some reason, I really find his writing to be humorous – even when I don’t think he’s trying to be. I have a strong appreciation for irony.
Choose 3 numbers between 1-15.
1, 5, 10
1 – If you had to be a bad guy in a movie, who would you be?
I’m not a moral relativist, but that’s a little too black and white for my taste. If I had to be a negatively stigmatized character in a movie though, I’d probably go with Rorschach from Watchmen. He’s one of my favorite anti-heroes of all time.
5 – what’s the scariest thing that’s happened to you?
There’s quite a few incidents that compete for the title of scariest. While I’ve been a few situations that are a life threatening in a more immediate sense, the most scared I’ve been in my life involves running afoul of the police. If certain things had been discovered I would probably be in jail for the next twenty years. I won’t go into specifics here, but the police state is the agent that strikes me with fear the most. Especially in Texas. Criminal institutionalization is probably the most detrimental experience one can endure in this country, and more specifically, this state.
10 – who’s your favourite skater?
Omar Salazar. No explanation needed.
I’ve had a lot of fun getting to see inside Chubbs’ head. Thank you for being so real. This was a great conversation.
Any thank yous?
Huge thanks to all of my sponsors. Bombsquad, Caliber, Venom, and Push Culture. They’re the reason why I’ve been responding to this interview from multiple different cities. My family and friends. Particularly Tannie Low and Andy Smolski. I enjoy every conversation I have with those two. Hopefully the world is ready for them.